Karmi vs EndeavourOS ;)

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Yikes! I should’ve known it. As soon as Orca finds a super distro for herself, along comes friend Karmi and talks crap about it. :/

As you know Kami has neither a commentary section nor a reblog function anymore, which is a shame, since I usually reblog most Linux stuff I find in acquainted blogs. Now I will just copypasta some “highlights” from his review and open up the discussion.

Ok, here we go:

EndeavourOS “DOS” Linux = ‘A TERMINAL-CENTRIC DISTRO’

Yes, you’re not the first nor the last user stumbling at that self-characterization. Endeavour is, as its spirtual ancestor Antergos, famous for offering a whole shitload of desktops all in one single ISO file. Most users see that as one of Endeavour’s most important characteristics. Nobody works on terminal, if they don’t have to. Maybe they should get a new promo guy. 😉

Dealing with the “bleeding-edge” of rolling releases – AKA instability.

As always: It depends! When you use the shit as it’s supposed to be used it’s no problem and equally as stable as Debian. I didn’t have any problems yet.

Anyway, took it for a quick ‘Live’ test this morning, and first thing I noticed was no choice to “Try” (as in try ‘Live’ session) or “Install” options, just an install welcome screen with a “see you later” in the right-hand bottom corner of the window!?! The “see you later” was their way of telling you to try this ‘Toy’ OS.

This is perfectly normal for most Arch derivatives. Users are suposed to know what they’re doing and what to expect from a certain distro. The ‘see you later’ means the same window will pop up again after restart. Click the box and you won’t have to see this window ever again. Simples. And, no, they don’t want you to try shit, they want you to install and use … or don’t install and don’t use. Pretty yedi philophy, no?

Third thing I noticed was it didn’t automatically recognize my Wi-Fi internet connection, but it did allow you to set it up manually – I think!?!? Showed the Wi-Fi Internet access icon was connected, and Firefox would open the “Welcome to Firefox” tab, but no other web sites would open.

Found wifi without any problems on my shitty Acer netbook. That’s all I can say in that regard since my 3 desktops are all connected via ethernet. And after opening Firefox everything went smoothly as expected. Instant connectivity and the whole internet is my oyster. =^.^=

You even let Jack M. Germain do some ‘splaining via a quote:

Rolling releases are the norm for Arch-based Linux distributions. So is a high hassle rating for installing and adding software. It is in neutralizing this later point that EndeavourOS excels.

Arch-based distros usually do not boot your computer into a standalone demo or live session mode. Arch Linux family members are not likely to have a user-friendly GUI-based installer to reduce the pain of manually partitioning and setting up installation commands.

EndeavourOS provides both, sort of.

The good Jack explains it quite nicely, what’s so hard to understand, Karmi? He even makes statements weaker than they should be:

Rolling releases are the norm for Arch-based Linux distributions.

The norm. 🙂 LOL. The rolling thing is what makes Arch Arch! It’s how we roll! 😉

So is a high hassle rating for installing and adding software.

Flat out wrong! Never had any other system, neither in Windows nor any Linux distro that made installation of software so easy and straightforward: sudo pacman -S ***software***. Or when using the spectacular AUR: yay ***software***. Where’s the fukn problem?

Arch-based distros usually do not boot your computer into a standalone demo or live session mode. Arch Linux family members are not likely to have a user-friendly GUI-based installer to reduce the pain of manually partitioning and setting up installation commands.

EndeavourOS provides both, sort of.

We’ve beeen over this I dunno how many times now. Arch isn’t for total n00bs. That’s a given, not a point to be criticised. I’d never complain about a 30-ton lorry being too hard to drive. These things take special licences so not every housewife can maim shitloads of kindergarten kids by accident. Logic, no?

At least with Endeavour we get the super cool Calamares installer, which makes the installation process hassle-free, even if it takes unnaturally long. But in the end you get a super duper tool that you don’t wanna swap for any UbuDeb or other stuff.

Arch and ‘Archies’ all have inferior installers…child-like at best.

Karmi, you know Arch’s mantra: Keep it Simple Stupid. In so far the Calamares installer is perfect. If you need a super specialized installation, well, there’s always the vanilla way of doing it.

Like humble me said, Jack is kinder than me, since I would’ve also mentioned its “Manual” partitioning fail rate (99%?) Anyway, ‘EndeavourDOS’ has added a new gimmick in an attempt to attract new users:

I never had any problems installing it. Nowadays it’s as simple as Mint or Ubuntu. Superduper easypeasy.

This distro gives you a choice of numerous popular desktop environments and one window manager. The choices are impressive: Xfce4, MATE, Cinnamon, KDE Plasma, GNOME, Budgie, Deepin and LXQT. Also available as a choice is the i3 window manager.

Er, OK ‘n wow. Should’ve spent more time working on stuff like mouse settings and Wi-Fi connections, IMHO.

Complete misunderstanding here: Endeavour is Antergos’ successor, the plethora of desktops is what makes it what it is! And your mouse problems are well-known by now, Karmi. Weird nobody else notices anything wrong with their rodents. And wifi werkz 100%. Install, find your network, type in your top secret password: *************, connect n surf! Look at me: Every clueless little housewife can do it! It’s as simple as promised, ffs!

 

 

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