Some Early Morning Linux Philosophy

Ohayou gozaimasu, dear readers. Hello and welcome to a half-woke rant about another rant I just had the questionable pleasure to read over at Karmi’s blog. This one here:

ArchVsNamib
Interesting, very long, full of …

Okay, first I gotta explain my modus operandi here: Normally I woulda just made some snide remarks about Karmi’s negativity and biased pov in the comments … but he scrapped the comments function from his blog. 😦 Same as the reblog function. 😮 Well, it’s Karmi’s blog, he can do whatever tickles his fancy with it. Buuuuut, to me this looks like a mild form of censorship, spreading some ultra radical pro- and antiganda without giving people a chance to comment, object, or correct his writings.

From where do we know this kind of one-way comunication? Guess I’ve seen similar in humankind’s recent history, you not? Anyhoo, may I urge y’all, particularly the Linux fraggles amongst you, to read and devour Karmi’s carefully made article. He really put a lot of effort into it, looks like. And I guess he can’t do anything against me copypasting some passages and screenshots from his blog, no?

Some of the things he states are just flatout proven wrong, illogical, and very confusingly worded for n00bs and ESLers. So let’s have a closer look at Karmi’s tour de force article:

First stumbling block is already in he title: You can’t set up Arch vs Namib. Factually, after installation Namib is 100% (not 98% not 99% but 100%) compatible with Arch! That’s what sets it apart and makes it so much more adorable than Manjaro.

Right in the beginning, when Karmi refers to DOSArch, he really means vanilla Arch, the purest form or ArchLinux distros. Kinda derogatory term. Yes, we know Arch in its standard vanilla state is a hot mess for when you’re a n00b or just don’t bother with fucking around. But it’s not as bad as MS-DOS.

DosArch ain’t fast enough to be on an SSD

Hello? Arch is plenty speedy and benefits greatly from running on a speedy drive. same as every other OS, Linux-based or otherwise.

DosArch is the only Linux Distro that’s ever given me problems with Gparted.

Can’t say anything about that, never tried vanilla Arch. All I can say Gparted comes preinstalled with Manjaro, the former Antergos, Namib and Endeavour OS, a rather sparsely equipped distro I’m testing right now. No problems.

I couldn’t even get app’s onto the panel bar…Mate seems very basic and limited when it comes to customization

May I show you something quickly?

MatePanel

Even on Gaga, which stands in for MiniMax right now, I had no problems whatsoever to pull the icons down into the panel as starters. That way I don’t need a Mac-like dock and save resources and screen real estate. One of the main reaons why I’m such a big Mate fan. Of course Mate’s customization options are poor compared with KDE Plasma but it has everything I need and is nice and clearly structured … unlike Xfce.

I have to go into BIOS and change boot order (F12 Boot Manager wouldn’t show up for whatever reason?!) in order to boot either Arch or Namib. So much for “It’s super easy peasy” in an “Install alongside” scenario.

Firstly it IS super duper easypeasy, as I’m going to prove farther down, secondly I never wrote about “Install alongside” scenarios. That’s important to know: Install alongside, aka Dual Boot, is a testosterone-filled, geeky way of doing things and compromising perfectly fine shit without any need. Guess why I keep not one but 3 spare computers around for testing, if I wanted to go the risky – obviously manly – route of setting my Linux world up just to see it burn?

One OS per computer! Not two, not three. One, and one only!

Here’s the “Manual Partitioning” as the only option being offered during installation:

I can assure you, Karmi, that in Calamares installer all the 3 or 4 options appear anytime, no matter which distro I wanna install. Looksie:

NamibInstall

Made this snapshot right nownow, a minute ago, of OrcNet, my very bad and weak and rather uncooperative Acer netbook. As clearly visible from the fugly wallpaper it’s during the installation of Namib Arch (Mate DE). All the usual options are there. As I suggested to Karmi more than once, I suspect there might be something wrong with his hardware. It’s unfair, however, to blame his personal shit on some Linux distro or fellow Linux lovers.

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Always happy to help with your computer twubbelz: Orca Flotta

Oh … do you see what I see? 😮 First line of text in Karmi’s screenshot says BIOS while on my Acer we’re in EFI. I hope you are aware that modern Linuxes can handle that fashionable UEFI shit without any problems, are you? :/

Hubby had the same problem, couldn’t get anything but stupid Kubuntu installed on his laptop. Until I asked him to try it with UEFI settings and then he was able to install all sorts of Linuxes without any problem. Happy hippo ever since!

I’m leaning towards thinking that the Calamares installer is just buggie with some Distros and/or newer hardware.

Here Karmi leaves the realm of reason completely! We’re talking about fuxn Arch here, Karmi, the most recent and up to date Linux distro you’ll ever gonna see! Even during installation, so before the initial update, we’re already on Linux kernel 5.xx. I wonder why you think Ubuntu would recognize newer hardware than Arch.

Really now.

Went with the zen-Linux-Kernel this time…seems to have gone smoother, i.e. the 5.2.3-zen1-1-zen in above pic.

Ya, guess that’s roundabout right. Let’s check with Orca:

My “Toy OS” might lack the professional boringness of a rock-hardened Debian but at least it’s always on the latest possible hardware detection.

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5.2.3-1-1! It’s the latest fashion for Linux hipsters, straight from the Linux catwalks. Received mine just yesterday or today … Anyway, we’re in perfect sync. =^.^=

Okay, I guess all Karmi needs to do now is switching from BIOS to UEFI, which I guess is the smarter move now anyway. Is BIOS even still developed? And then see if he still has problems with his hardware. But in the end he got it right; after all the complicated geeky stuff and detours he did, Karmi ended up with the long-awaited happy screen:

Congratz! 🙂

 

7 comments

    • Karmi wrote in his blog:

      “UPDATE: Orca never ventures far from her toy OS, so I thought I’d add an EFI that still shows the buggie Namib installer with just one option, i.e. “Manual Partitioning” as the only option…again. Main Linux test computer – ‘Rose’ – handles both UEFI and Legacy, and since I conduct numerous Linux tests weekly, UEFI and Legacy support are both needed. Various test disks have different Partition Tables – but that shouldn’t interfere with the installation process…unless Orca is trying to say that Linux doesn’t work on old computers that only have Legacy BIOS (she isn’t, but maybe she doesn’t know what she is saying, as usual).”

      The oldest computer I ran Namib on – flawlessly – is MiniMe, an i5-650 from ~2010. That old enough?

      Oh, I usually know exactly what I’m saying. Can’t say I’m always right tho, and in this case I was wrong. But it was worth a shot, was it not? What else can it be? Checked the MD5 sum? Hmmm, I’m out of ideas. Well, it must be hardware related, I’m sure of that. I never do anything weird with my machines, don’t even have printers or scanners connected, and have all my desktops plugged into the router, no wifi chit. So I run a less risky environment.

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      • I never do anything weird with my machines, don’t even have printers or scanners connected, and have all my desktops plugged into the router, no wifi chit. So I run a less risky environment.

        Yeah, Linux isn’t the perfect OS that you push onto your readers and followers – far from it, in fact. If the Linux Kernel was the answer then there would only be 1 Distro instead of over 2000 (flavors and DE’s included). If the Linux Kernel was the answer then there would be no mouse problems, no printer problems, no Wi-Fi connection problems, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

        BTW, most Desktop/Laptop users don’t consider printers, or scanners, or Wi-Fi to be “weird” – i.e. Microsoft Windows users don’t consider them to be “weird.” Weird would be not being able to just plug those simple items in and have them work.

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        • Anonymous Karmi, indeed I consider the use of scanners and printers as weird. It’s the fukn year 2019, we should be above using hardcopies. But I can assure you that Linux has absolutely no problems with any peripherals, quite the contrary. It’s the hardware manufacturers who are unwilling to provide their precious special snowflake drivers for Unix-like operatiing systems.

          And wifi is factually very weird. Sending my data over radio waves is unnatural and very easily hackable. Also too laggy for gaming. Best connection is via Kat5 or Kat6 wires.

          The fact that I mentioned my personal, very unfuzzy, setup was supposed to help on your hunt for the install probs, give you an idea about what you could maybe change in order to avoid your special sort of trubbelz. Because it is a very special and very weird occurance that’s more or less restricted to you and your personal hardware, not system-imminent!

          Of course is the Linux kernel not perfect,same as Windows and Mac kernels are far removed from perfection. But unlike WinApple Linux can work with much more peripherals than those two.

          And your assumed rodent problem is in fact nothing but a legend. I use all my mice the same waay I always did in the commercial products. And again, if there are special functions, they are delivered by a driver … a driver the manufacturer refuses to port over to Linux and set it free.

          I don’t know what the amount of distros has to do with anything, Karmi. Linux is fukn FOSS, of course everybody has the chance to have a go with it and make their own distro. That’s all sorts of cool, no? I mean can you honestly imagine a world without Hannah Montana Linux’s pinkness in it?

          It doesn’t matter if there are/were over 2000 distros around, nobody’s forced to use any of ’em, right? Would you prefer all those younglings steppping out of momma’s basement and go smash headlights or start pub brawls instead? Fortunately there are blogs like mine, telling their readers to ignore most distros but show them only a small but fine collection.

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    • Yes, I tested Emmabuntüs as well, a couple years ago and was less than impressed. Ok, it may be a fine distro for what it is: Stone old computers without access to the internet. Fine. I’ll take it on my next trip to Kathmandu or Nepal or Burma or Borneo or Madagascar or the Amazonian rainforest or so.

      But for us spoiled EuroMericans who spent 99.9% of our time on the interwebz it is of NO USE!

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    • “then having Ocra jumping down my throat”

      … in an attempt to clear up some of your misconceptions and in order to help with your installation trubbelz.
      The name is Orca btw, not Ocra. 😮

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