Needlessly Philosophicating About Linux :/

Ya, I’m bored … and sitting at my shitty netbook and feel the creative juices flowing without having a real idea what to do. So please indulge me as I go on yet another tangent about Linux. Is it so bad? Can’t take it anymore? No? Ok, then stick with me for the next few minutes. ^.^

As so oTop20-20191006ften let me start by showing you the DistroWatch Ranking of today. More to have an illustration than anything else. 😉 It didn’t change much lately, at least not in the very top ranks. And that is a good and logical thing per se, don’t you think? Let’s have  a peek …

Yes, cream still rises to the top. All that is good and near and dear to the Linux sheeples’ hearts can be found inside the Top 20. Of course you can and will find some very famous stalwarts of the Linux community further down the chart but those are special interest  and purpose distributions, not everyday mom n pop operating systems. The music plays in the Top 20. That’s where we – The Housewifes Linux Club – find our fave distros!

And you can see how steep the decline is even in the Top 20. Between MX on #1 and deepin on #10 you see a wide gap of almost 4,000 page hits, telling us that interest in MX is multitudes higher than in deepin.

Did MX deserve that hightened interest? I guess it does. The MX devs made a lot of stuff right, as they focused on the general end-user, not a purpose driven freakish splinter group. Just like early Ubuntu, followed by Mint and joined by Manjaro, the MX team put a lot of clever helpers in their OS, made it easily accessible for every granny and toddler. And what makes MX a tiny bit better than Mint is tha they bet on the better horse, the better base system right from the get go. Ubuntu is based on Debian, Mint is based on Ubuntu … so why not going back and borrow directly from Debian again? Clever thinking, eh? Particularly with big daddy Deb10 coming out soon, MX will see an explosion in general interest and growth of the installation base.

If they could now introduce some more flavours to their download server the whole MX project could go through the roof! For now they only offer the kinda outdated, kinda primitive, kinda dying XFCE desktop environment. I wish they’d make a KDE/Plasma, a Mate, and a Cinnamon desktop too. Particularly Cinnamon is already a hit with the Mint clientèle, it would lift MX up to heaven, into the pantheon of Linux deities!

Don’t you, too, have the feeling that Mint is a bit tired and blah and meh? Not even promoting their very nice LMDE and making it the default, and only releasing new major versions of their standard release every three years; sorry, that reeks of lazyness. I’m not one of those assholios shouting for Mint to die, still thinking it’s the bee’s knees, but, sorry, I can’t be anymore that 138% fangurly I once was.

So, yes, MX has earned its #1 rank, fair and square. But it could be better yet, just by adding a better desktop. And that is why my recommendation for Linux first-timers is still Linux Mint.

 

13 comments

  1. 🙂 The Linux Mint Debian Edition was created as a backup project; which would allow Linux Mint to continue the day that Ubuntu becomes non-existent.

    A lot of people still use and love Xfce because it is fast and lightweight (And, that is one of the reasons why the MX Linux developers chose to go with it).

    I would also like to add, that each distro of Linux themes the Xfce desktop environment differently.

    Manjaro Linux certainly did a fine job with the theming of their Xfce desktop environment. They managed to make it modern-looking.

    And, it is up to the Linux user to customize the Xfce desktop to their liking.

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    • Hey Renard, thx for popping in …

      “The Linux Mint Debian Edition was created as a backup project; which would allow Linux Mint to continue the day that Ubuntu becomes non-existent.”

      Yes, and since that day many Mint users feel LMDE is the far superior version over Ubu and trying to talk Clem into ditching the *buntu shit and go fully with Debian. Minty team already admitted LMDE was running faster than Ubu-base. I guess Mint would gain many more fans if they’d finally wave goodbye to Ubu. Now they are leaving the field and making space for MX.

      “A lot of people still use and love Xfce because it is fast and lightweight (And, that is one of the reasons why the MX Linux developers chose to go with it).”

      Yes, and it’s the only perceivable reason. In all other aspects XFCE sux, is outdated and hardly developed anymore. All the best XFCE devs left for Mate or other DEs. And compared to Mate, for example, XFCE is a tad lighter but in no way running faster or smoother.

      “I would also like to add, that each distro of Linux themes the Xfce desktop environment differently.

      Manjaro Linux certainly did a fine job with the theming of their Xfce desktop environment. They managed to make it modern-looking.”

      I can’t and won’t say anything about non-essential stuff like theming.

      “And, it is up to the Linux user to customize the Xfce desktop to their liking.”

      Which many of us do to various degrees. But I don’t think it’s up to us to do anything. I expect a modern distro to be nice and congruent and functional right outta the box. Which XFCE most certainly isn’t. Ok, neither is Mate with its 2 panels but that is easily fixed.

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    • Even Slackware offers a nice, modern Xfce available to it’s users, despite being updated only once in a zillion and twelve years. Like Debian’s separate branches (Stable, Unstable, Testing, Experimental), Slackware offers a similar repository. Lots of people run Debian Testing as their main thing because it’s stable “enough” as far as they are concern. That’s doubly true for Slackware.

      I don’t get the hatred of Xfce at all. I went with it after Gnome became a twisted, sloppy, resource hog with such radical, sudden major changes it was like learning a whole ‘nother environment. I switched to Xfce for the same reason that Mint invented Cinnamon (based on the old reliable Gnome2). It’s slow to develop, which is a good thing, not a bad thing that is misunderstood to mean that it’s “old and deteriorating.” It is certainly not deteriorating by any means. But it’s not gonna repeat Gnome’s stupid arrogance and throw a big, completely unfamiliar bunch of bewilderment on their users.

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        • Was just about to say the same: Mate is a forward developed Gnome2 (factly what Gnome 3 should’ve become), Cin is a reverse engineered Gnome3. I prefer Mate since it’s a bit more flexible and customizable while Cin tries to make the best from the sad skeleton the Gnome 3 devs (Red Hat) have left for us.

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      • “I don’t get the hatred of Xfce at all.”
        No hatred. Never any hate for anything Linux. It’s more like a “Meh” stance on it.

        “It is certainly not deteriorating by any means.”
        What was the last pause in Xfce development, 4 years or something, while all the good devs switched over to Mate?
        Slackware and Xfce are for geeks, not for housewives. Else they’d be higher up in the DW chart. 😦

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  2. I’ll probably skip around on this one…privileged white women – geez!

    If they could now introduce some more flavours to their download server the whole MX project could go through the roof! For now they only offer the kinda outdated, kinda primitive, kinda dying XFCE desktop environment. I wish they’d make a KDE/Plasma, a Mate, and a Cinnamon desktop too. Particularly Cinnamon is already a hit with the Mint clientèle, it would lift MX up to heaven, into the pantheon of Linux deities!

    Here we go again – Orca pushing for even more Linux Fragmentation!?! Over 600+++ Linux distros already, with many having extra flavors and/or desktop environments, which may all add up to over 2,000 Linux versions ‘fLoAtInG‘ out there. Not even Orca bothers to test or check them all – she just hollars for more Linux Fragmentation!?!?!

    Skip … Now, I not sure (since I’m still testing MX Linux), but seems like they offer the KDE and LMDE in the actual OS someplace?! Not sure what it was or meant, but at the time I figured it was some optional desktop environments built in for adding later. Cinnamon wasn’t listed there, but I installed it w/ Synaptic Package Manager (no Command Prompt needed) – even tho I love Cinnamon DE, the Xfce was much better, IMHO. Privileged white women – geez!

    Skip … OK, here’s an article I read awhile back (I link to it in my Page section of my blog – “Linux *QUICK* News ‘N Bits”) – Scientific Linux and Antergos are shutting down: It’s time for Linux Mint to go

    <blockquote)
    Cinnamon, the popular open source desktop environment featured in Linux Mint, makes more sense as a distribution-agnostic package … snip … Since time immemorial—or, more likely, the late 1990s—the intractable problem of "fragmentation of the Linux desktop" has been debated on the internet. While some contend that the wide variety of competing distributions offers more choice to users, that choice can also be overwhelming—making it too difficult for new users to decide on a distribution, or leading them to choose a distribution that is poorly-built or unsupported, providing a bad first experience … snip … Linux Mint is actually two distributions—the Ubuntu derivative, for which Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce editions are provided, and the Cinnamon-based Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), which exists "for the Linux Mint team to see how viable our distribution would be and how much work would be necessary if Ubuntu was ever to disappear" … snip … Ubuntu is practically in the too-big-to-fail category, as Linux distributions go … snip … Transitioning Linux Mint development efforts to make Cinnamon an Ubuntu Flavor—adhering more tightly to Ubuntu’s infrastructure and release timelines, rather than operating independently and running the risk causing package conflicts—would deduplicate a great deal of work, providing more time to further improve Cinnamon, and ease the strained schedules of Clem and other Linux Mint contributors.

    One of the most popular Linux Distros, Mint, is or seems to be going in circles for some reason?! Maybe its just writers filling in empty spaces and/or jumping on the Mint bashing bandwagon…I certainly can’t tell. MX seems to be more like Ubuntu, i.e. they seem to have a great growth plan, and they stick to it. Tight infrastructure and release timelines … so to speak whilst voicing my opinions.

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    • “privileged white women – geez!”

      1) Sorry I’m not living in the USA, so I was born privileged, like all Eurotrash, women and men alike.
      2) I can’t help being white, the pigmentation mutation is caused by my ashkenazy jew and scandinavian heritage. Else I’d proudly wearing my black skin.
      3) Woman singular, I don’t identify or fraternize with other bishes.

      “Orca pushing for even more Linux Fragmentation!?!”

      No, why would I do that? I’m not pushing anything, don’t have the power to do so, and even if we get more fragmentation … who the fuk cares? The more the merrier, everybody needs a hobby, youth experiments, and in the end cream rises to the top.

      I was just thinking that MX with Cinnamon DE would catapult them even higher up the useless DW charts and also in real installation figures. About time some reasonable distro pushes that wibbly wobbly shortthinking Canonical shit of its throne. Ubuntu used to be cool n all that but they’ve lost all of their appeal looong ago. And I see that neither Arch, CentOS, nor any other freaky systems can take over the role of a Linux for the people. Ubu is out due to them using shitty Gnome3, Debian is legendary stable and very beloved so of course I wish the better known Debian projects, like MX, LMDE, Sparky and others or maybe even Debian themselves would make their distros as easy to install and operate as possible. Lets say so easy that even ex-Macianers can use them.

      And Karmi, not every single one of your hateful gender agendas makes a useful contribution to Linux distro discussions.

      “Not even Orca bothers to test or check them all – she just hollars for more Linux Fragmentation!?!?!”

      Answered and filed as failed attack. Of course I didn’t test them all, actually not keen on most of them after reading the release info.

      “<blockquote)
      Cinnamon, the popular open source desktop environment featured in Linux Mint, makes more sense as a distribution-agnostic package … snip …"

      Not too much a fan of Cinnamon but it gets better with every new release and I can stand behind it and recommend it as perfect environment for everybody who needs to get shit done. Has turned from "beautiful bastard" to actually pretty usable, and the initial crashyness and sloooooowness is solved by now.

      XFCE, Mate and others only getting older and look more and more like self-made LEGO, while Cin is a ready-made solution.

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    • Looks like I missed the “” in that reply or confused the comment editor with some bold “” stuff tossed into the quoting area … ooops! Karmi here and too lazy to login here. Anyway, a followup – after finishing the nap I was running late on – can’t find the exact “KDE and LMDE” stuff I was talking about earlier (may have been in a Wiki or something else – I *HATE* Read Me doc stuff!), but the MX manual pointed me to the MX Tools section and the MX Package Installer (MX Tools is one of the reasons MX is so popular, or so I have read). Under Desktop Environments, the MX Package Installer lists Bundgie, Gnome Base, KDE5 Standard, LXDE and MATE. Weird that Cinnamon isn’t listed there, but maybe they are still working on that DE, since I got a notification that a applet/s and/or desklet/s didn’t load properly …?!? Their download page just offers the 32bit and 64bit Xfce4 standard, without the rat running around, apparently.

      Speaking of fragmentation problems – I just covered like 7 different DE’s in that one paragraph!?! 1-2% of all desktop/laptop users may be the real problem with Linux!

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      • “Speaking of fragmentation problems – I just covered like 7 different DE’s in that one paragraph!?! 1-2% of all desktop/laptop users may be the real problem with Linux!”

        Psssht Karmi, calm down … breathe … steadily and slowly … in … and … out. Ya, so is good. Repeat seven times. Now focus. One distro and one desktop at a time. What 1 – 2% of users may BE the problem with Linux? How can they pose a problem to a worldwide movement? Or is it the 1 – 2% HAVE a problem with Linux? In any way, they are probably 1 – 2% of WinMac fanboys so fuk em!

        There. Problem solved! ^.^

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